# Podcast: Signal's President Meredith Whittaker on Backdoors and AI

Source: https://www.404media.co/podcast-signals-president-meredith-whittaker-on-backdoors-and-ai
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## Summary

Meredith Whittaker, president of the Signal Foundation, discusses threats to end-to-end encryption in a 404 Media podcast interview. She says AI features such as Microsoft's Recall create a "plaintext honeypot" on the operating system, which would subvert the contract between Signal and its users; after a backlash, Microsoft said it will switch Recall off by default. Whittaker also says that, to her knowledge, Signal engineers have not been approached by FBI officials, a claim Telegram CEO Pavel Durov made about his own staff, and she describes Signal's growth as driven by political volatility.

## Article

In this special interview episode of the 404 Media podcast, I sat down with Meredith Whittaker, the president of the Signal Foundation, which supports the encrypted messaging app Signal. As one of the few journalists who has revealed new details about backdoors, I thought this was a fascinating wide-ranging discussion with one of the most important people in the world of encryption. Paid subscribers got early access to this episode; if you’re not already a subscriber, you can sign up here.

Whittaker talks about the threat of AI to end-to-end encryption, including to Microsoft’s recently announced Recall feature:

“Just a plaintext honeypot on your OS. That includes screenshots of your Signal desktop messages, if you’re using Signal desktop. That fundamentally violates that contract between Signal and the person using it, which is then being subverted by the operating system manufacturer.” (After a backlash, Microsoft said it will switch off the Recall system by default).

That to her knowledge, Signal engineers have not been approached by officials from the FBI, which is something Telegram CEO Pavel Durov claimed happened to his own staff:

“It feels like a mythologized version of a real concern that doesn’t hold water.”

And how the size of Signal’s user base ebbs and flows with political events:

“We see growth perpetuated by collective events, or collectives. A very easy one is political volatility, when the distance between physical safety and digital privacy collapses.”

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