# DeFi Dad podcast with Vivek and Danny at Etherealize

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLNzMl-Xdbc4YfQcYdy96wgTAWoMr-3b-j&v=1xQea1sEDzs
Kiwi News: https://news.kiwistand.com/stories/DeFi-Dad-podcast-with-Vivek-and-Danny-at-Etherealize?index=0x67d849c849f817c97cf82a6e6e1fd8f7a895e0853174aa87ab9dbd3078725522663c5da9
Submitted by ccarella.eth on 2025-03-17 UTC, 2 upvotes, 1 comment

Ethereum Is Winning—So Why Is ETH Still Undervalued?

Video by DeFi Dad on YouTube

## Comments

**tim**: I have a very strong disagreement around the 50-minute mark where DeFi Dad claims that the L2 fragmentation is not really a problem and that this is mostly a psyop promoted by Solana Maxis.

This is completely false. 

We have hundreds of recordings from potential users wanting to use KN. They go on our KiwiPass Mint page, then they find that they don't have Optimism ETH and they close the page. Hundreds, if not thousands of people have done it.