What's Best Way for Ethereum to Grow? Justin Drake and Martin Köppelmann Debate

This Unchained podcast episode, posted November 26, 2024, features Martin Köppelmann, co-founder of Gnosis, and Justin Drake, researcher at the Ethereum Foundation, debating how Ethereum should scale amid competition from rivals such as Solana. The discussion covers the trade-offs between native and based rollups, fragmentation across rollups, and whether Ethereum's deliberate pace of innovation could leave it vulnerable. The hosts also raise whether ETH has strayed from its ultrasound money narrative, which the episode says has been reshaped by Ethereum's shift to rollups and blob data. Show highlights include Drake's optimism about pre-confirmations, and Köppelmann's view that Ethereum is not building for developers.