It was great having you both on the podcast!
Thanks for having us, it was fun! I was reflecting on it today, and it also striked me that podcasts like Dev n' Tell are a good forcing function to refine our narrative. It's hard to just sit down one day and say: "Okay, let's work on the way we present Kiwi" because the result feels not tangible enough. But if we have some podcast, essay, or keynote to prepare, this kind of work is more justified.
💯💯💯 Totally agree and would love to host you both again down the line of it would interest you 😎